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Re: The Messer Log
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2010, 09:55:36 AM »
alot of carb problems are caused by vacume lines leaking or cloged up especiallly from fuel pump. I have a 87 advance that i found in pa. looked like it was well taken care of but must have sat for a while  had to replace all the vac lines cause of dryrot. the fuel pump has a vacume assist ,iIwould fill the gas tank up but only burn about 8 gal before problems would start happining (starterfluid,hessitation and stalls) turns out the fuel pump was vac opperated and the first part of the tank(when full ) would gravity feed ok but when the pump would have to do the work the vac leaks would break the vac and no fuel would flow .Idont know if this would help but its a cheaper way to start.Also need to check the small filter at the carb fuel intake they get gummed up pretty bad if gas is left sitting in  the motor over time . good luck!
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2010, 05:57:45 PM »
daveo,
I am a little nervous about your fuel pump.  I haven't been a mechanic for a while, but I don't remember the mechanical fuel pumps having a "vacuum assist".  I believe the line you are talking about is the vent line for the fuel pump diaphram.  This allows the diaphram to move up and down to pump the fuel.  The reason the line is on here (it is absent on a automotive fuel pump) is if the diaphram ruptures, the "leaking" fuel will be directed to the flame arrestor or carb.  Leaking fuel in a bilge of a boat is a fire hazzard.  On a car it will just leak to the ground.  The line on this is usually a yellowish color Tygon line which is designed to seal itself off in the event of fire to stop feeding fuel to the fire.  In the picture below the line on the far left is this line.  The middle line which is steel is the fuel feed line to the carb.  The line (no hose attached) is the incoming line from the fuel tank.   As a note, the fuel lines should all be marine rated as they all are supposed to do the same as Tygon in the event of a fire. (Except the fuel fill although it has a different specific marine desigination.)  
Note:  these pictures are from a PCM Chevy motor, but the mechanical fuel pumps are the same concept
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Re: The Messer Log
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2010, 07:27:51 AM »
I agree 100% with the above response and the purpose of the extended vent line from the mechanical fuel pump is just that a vent line routed up to the spark arrester for marine applications.

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2010, 07:43:34 AM »
daveo
In thinking about what you said, your vent line to the fuel pump being plugged may have been enought to restrict the fuel pump from operating properly.  If there is visible fuel in the vent line, (the reason the Tygon is transparent) REMOVE THE FUEL PUMP AND REPLACE WITH A NEW MARINE FUEL PUMP IMMEDIATLY!  The worst thing to have leaking in a boat is raw fuel.  Hope this helps. 
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2010, 07:34:30 AM »
 the problem was that the line had melted to the manifold/riser  (before I replaced risers) and had a big hole in it. I replaced it with a longer line and it seems to have corrected the problem. My problem with cutting out could also have been the fuel filter at the carb I cleaned that out at the same time i fixed the vac line.I have never had any fuel in that line but thanks for the heads up
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Re: The Messer Log
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2010, 04:26:07 PM »
More minor progress- pulled the platform and refurbished it. Spent a few nights sanding (course to fine) and applying teal oil, then sanding after it dried with fine paper and reapplying teak oil. After I ran out of oil I quit and put her back on. I used 3m rubbing compound and wax to bring out the gelcoat a bit. Now I have to make the rest of the boat match!
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Re: The Messer Log
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2010, 05:45:20 PM »
More minor progress- pulled the platform and refurbished it. Spent a few nights sanding (course to fine) and applying teal oil, then sanding after it dried with fine paper and reapplying teak oil. After I ran out of oil I quit and put her back on. I used 3m rubbing compound and wax to bring out the gelcoat a bit. Now I have to make the rest of the boat match!


Your swim deck looks great!

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Re: The Messer Log
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2010, 04:31:37 PM »
I just looked at the pic earlier in your log of the winch, do me a favor & unwind it all the way & wind it back up from the bottom, the way it is now will allow the boat in a panic stop on the trailer to move up the bow stop gaining momemtum and will snap that strap. When wound from the bottom the strap will gain leverage against this & keep the boat on the trailer.

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Re: The Messer Log
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2010, 09:49:31 PM »
The trick is in the details...  Nice catch Ron!!!
Joel - Columbus, OH - 1991 Advance

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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2010, 01:51:37 PM »
Ron,
  Will do, thanks for the advice.

I got the parts the other day, thanks much... I've got stickers on everything!

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Re: The Messer Log
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2010, 10:05:04 PM »
No updates... but I do know more about "Blow out Preventors", dispersants, tar balls, tar mats, and 5.8 billion in profits last quarter,,,umm I didn't see any profit, however I am spending most of my time fixing their problem so they can return to fat pockets of money...I digress. .. I recommended we plug the hole with all the politicians and useless government folks who are constantly in the way diverting attention from the problem with arranging overflights, briefs, meetings to plan meetings... I've seen enough of the Governors of LA, MS, Al and Fl, Secretary Napolitano, Commandant Allen, Pres Obama and every swingin Senator there is to fill a lifetime. ...but at the end of the day, gas prices will go up... I just want to go for a boat ride...maybe ski a minute...I'm deliriuos... Is it about to be Hurricane season??

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Re: The Messer Log
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2010, 10:09:38 PM »
You mean that stuffing tires and golf balls won't fix the problem? Drill baby drill.

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« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2010, 08:34:27 AM »
I used to do what your doing in the USCG and thankfully I DONT do that anymore.  Valdez was the same way in Alaska, as was the New Carissa in Oregon, with the Admiral & all the politicians grandstanding.  The oil cleanup companys made a FORTUNE and didnt actually "clean up" much oil...  The oil dispersants used are more toxic to the environment than the oil itself, but it makes the oil "magically go away" and the water look prettier...  Containment boom is known as "Media Boom" cause all its good for is making it look like your doing something and the media LOVES to take pictures of it.  Oil will entrain (go under) any size containment boom with a water current of only 1 knot - look at the boom thats deployed and MOST of it has oil on both sides.  I dont envy your job today  :(

In the end of the Valdez spill, Exxon changed thier name and are still making HUGE profits.   Most of the local people were in court for over a decade trying to collect $$ awarded via the courts.  Not sure if they ever got paid...

The trick is keeping it contained - once the oil, or hazardous materials (my current job), is out of the package, container, drum, ship, pipeline, etc... the battle is over - you've lost.  Now all you can do is "mitigate" the impact which is a losing battle.  This sort of thing happens in the Gulf about every 10 - 15 years, either by oil rig, or usually oil tanker...

Anyone for an oily tasting oyster or pre-oiled shrimp?  ;)

O.K. enough of that...  Lets talk about BOATS!!!  I used your technique of sanding, oiling & sanding and my swim platform looks oh-so-much-better!!!  I couldnt find any teak oil so I used "boiled" linseed oil...  It looks thicker, but eventually soaks in and water runs off it like the back of a duck... and, its not slippery when wet - so I guess that'll do!!!
Joel - Columbus, OH - 1991 Advance

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Re: The Messer Log
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2010, 10:15:47 PM »
Boats..yes, lord I apologize, bless the pygmies... I actually did make some advancement right before the drill mishap. - I changed the oil, fuel filter, gas, fixed the overflow on the tank (added a loop in the line as recommended here somewhere), plugs and bought a fresh battery. She turned over like a champ, but didn't fire immediately until I shot a line of starter fluid in the carb and loud pipes came alive.    ..I went a bit further and used the 3m compund wax combo suggested by Dan and it really came out good. I have a compressor with a 5" sander that I strapped a wool pull over on, lighly applied the compound and let it sit for a few minutes then buffed for a while. After the woolly pad I switched to a linen cloth pad and the shine buffed up nice and glossy. I was actually surprised as it has been one of the things that actually went right. I'll post pix soon...

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Re: The Messer Log
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2010, 07:47:40 PM »
It's alive.... fenders- new, platform- sanded and refurbished, trailer- new lights-decking pends, no starter fluid only two serious gooses of the throttle. I replaced one missing and one old exhasut flap, had to cut some off a new Malibu to fit, they are thicker and I hope they loosen up as I don't like the muffled soound... notice the new key float- thanks Ron... Gotta get back to the oil!
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