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Offline kjerchinger

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« Reply #120 on: May 25, 2012, 09:20:12 PM »
Messer, I just got the chanced to look at your pics and Video, that boat is a beauty ! you did a great job.
  Not sure if you remember me but I replaced the floor in my  85 Advance this past winter, Night and Day difference. the biggest improvment is the wake, as I slalom skier this is Paramont. My buds are now happy to ski behind my vintage boat even though they have late model MC and Nautique's with the  latest speed controls at there docks. I equiped the Advance with Perfect Pass with GPS assist last year, and though the  pull is not quite as exact as the new boats, my investment is slightly less, check that, 40,000 less !
    I have read comments on this blog that these boats cannot compete with the new boats if your a competitive skier. I beg to differ, I run the coarse through 35 off, and have little trouble adapting on tournament day behind a late model.
  In addition, as you know, a hole lot of pride taking the family out for a spin in such a beutiful vintage boat, much more pride  than you could have behind a brand new one.

    Enjoy the Ride, you deserve it !

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« Reply #121 on: May 26, 2012, 10:01:03 AM »
Messer you certainly have a done a great and passionate job

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« Reply #122 on: May 27, 2012, 09:53:58 PM »
Thanks for all the props! We have put about 15hrs on her until just a few minutes ago and love it. The interior tightened up with the heat and looks much better to me. The ride doesn't have any change as far as sound and vibration without the foam, however it does feel lighter and jumps a little quicker. The wake is lower which is a slight negative with the kneeboard and wakeboard crowd I have, but they haven't really noticed.
  I have been getting lots of compliments. We have a group of classic skiers around (nautiques, MC) and wannabees, and we have had a few turns to come check us out. ...all in all I'm glad I went thru the trouble over the last few months. I'm still not done, but so far I've had a ball and glad I did it.

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« Reply #123 on: May 28, 2012, 07:52:01 PM »
Great job dude!!!    8)
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« Reply #124 on: June 01, 2012, 10:58:08 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D

I enjoyed the rebuild so much that I'm doing another... I'm gonna post a pic and run. Will be on vacation for a week so the comments should be much calmer upon return.

in my defense there are only two American Skiers on Logan Martin Lake, none for sale... this was $2500

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« Reply #125 on: June 01, 2012, 01:11:44 PM »
Geez Mess, you're a glutton for punishment aren't you?

Looks to be an '87. Actually a very nice looking boat for the price. I think you got a great deal there.
I really hope that you have to redo the floor in this one. You'll find out really quick that it's not even close to an A/S.

The stringer/floor system on a CC is totally different and much more labor intensive to do it right. Not saying it's any better. I much prefer the construction and layup of the A/S and not because it's easier. I think it's more solid myself. I personally feel that the stringer/floor construction of a CC is very sub-par when compared to the overall quality of construction that's built into the boat itself. Again, purely my own opinion.

If you have to replace the floor, you'll find that the stringers will be shot and there is nothing you can do to save them. Your only option is replacing them. The stringers are not nice straight pieces of wood either. They have notches, dips, and dives cut in them as well as bulkhead supports that brace to the hull. You had better try to remove the stringers as diligently as possible so you can piece them together as a pattern for the new ones. The floor is also constructed of foam and then chopper gun glassed over the top so there is no pattern.

Now for the boat itself. A really nice solid, well built machine (sans the floor/stringer system). I'm not sure if you're planning on keeping it or restoring it and then selling it off? If you or your kids are into wakeboarding and/or kneeboarding and you're planning on fixing and selling it off, DO NOT LET THEM SKI BEHIND THIS BOAT!!!!!!! You'll end up keeping it.

The 80"s CC's (Ski Nautique and 2001's) are well known for their incredibly good wakeboard wakes. The wakes are extremely good as is and able to handle virtually all but the most advanced tricks. When you add weight to them, they're practically world class. Even by today's modern, wake specific $75K standards. This in a boat that was built more than a decade before wakeboarding was ever thought of. Needless to say, they are highly sought after by the wakeboard community. They're only vice is the available space. There isn't a lot of room in them. Especially when you start filling them with sacs, people and all the associated gear. Adding a tower with racks helps somewhat but still an issue.
If you use a boom for training, the side spray from the CC is literally like a 3" fire hose hitting you in the face (on the starts). Once at speed, the fire hose is well behind you. Getting a boom extension to put you farther out helps but still doesn't eliminate it. Side spray from your A/S is virtually non-existant.

So the moral of the story is this....
Use your A/S for slalom, tricking , barefoot and boom training. It's virtually untouchable.
For wakebaording, load up the CC and have some fun.

Good luck and definitely keep us posted on this one. I think you'll be amazed at how different the two boats are constructed but at the same time how they are both very well built.

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« Reply #126 on: June 02, 2012, 08:27:38 PM »
Daaaaaayyyyyyyaaaaaammmmmmm!!!!!!    Nice boat dude!!!   I always liked the 2001   :)
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« Reply #127 on: July 07, 2012, 08:20:32 PM »
Just checking in with my brothers... good times, making memories..

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« Reply #128 on: July 08, 2012, 12:42:52 PM »
Nice... a toy-filled driveway   8)
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« Reply #129 on: April 03, 2013, 09:54:30 AM »
... there is a hint of warmth in the air. Water should be up in a few weeks... I got the itch.. a few pix of my only real progress lately. A local graphix shop cut these, a good effort, from a distance perfect, up close I see faults but I'm taking what I get at this point. I dropped one on the bow as well and I think I like it!

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« Reply #130 on: April 03, 2013, 09:58:11 AM »
I somehow stretched the middle picture of the stern... I'll get a better one as the stern looks really good with the filled in letters.

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« Reply #131 on: April 03, 2013, 04:22:15 PM »
A better shot of the stern without the phone stretch.

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« Reply #132 on: April 03, 2013, 09:24:42 PM »
Wow!  She looks better & better everytime I see some pics!  Would love to see her up close & personal, much more SKI behind her!!!  Are you gonna bring her to the Reunion?   PPPPPLLLLLEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEEE!!!!   ;D

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« Reply #133 on: April 04, 2013, 02:14:26 PM »
  I am struggling with the reunion. Even though it is close enough to get to, I have had a commitment for that weekend for some time. A slim chance I'll make it for the day (Saturday). I'd love to see all the boats together and talk to folks who have the same passion.

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« Reply #134 on: April 04, 2013, 05:58:54 PM »
Yeah, Fathers Day Weekend is a stretch for a lot of guys...  but on the other hand its perfect for a lot of guys.  Real hard to nail down a date    :(   Well, hope to see you anyway.  If not, maybe next year!!

Joel
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