I have already made up my mind for the grand kids. I will get an ez skier trainer. I won't push them but it will be there if they want to use it. With the first kid, my goal had been to make it look like skiing is just part of life. I think she will go next year (3). Anyway, if there turns out to be any tubers, they get a ride that is the same length of time that the skiing kids get. None of this miles and miles on the tube thing.