Ski Boat Forum
General Category => General American Skier Discussions => Topic started by: Sumondra on March 07, 2016, 10:07:12 AM
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Hello I'm new to the forum, I just picked up what I believe is a 2002 élan tbx pro hull for $250 it was a stolen recovery so parts are missin.. Missing parts: •gauges • motor and tans •prop, shaft and steering. The good thing is I have another ski boat to put most of this boat back together, but I can't find the gauges for this boat.. I would also like some more history on the boat if anyone has any..
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Pics of the boat
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This boat was just in the ads on craigslist section. Great haul if you can get it back together!
Wish I had an answer to your questions, but my boat is an 86 and I know nothing about what you have there.
Welcome to the forum. Im sure someone with more know than me will show up and get you some feedback.
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Yeah I picked this up about 3days ago, the price was a steal and I'll jake my motor and trans out of my 86 supra comp and put in here..
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Most of what you need I will have or still have access to. I looked at that deal when it came up but it was too far from here for me to fetch. And I have a Red & White TBX in my junkyard (hull & deck only) already. If you talk to any HARD core slalom skier you will find that these were the ultimate slalom boats that are still used to compare the newest boats against. I was talking with the Sr. driver from last years US Open tournament & he was telling me how much he missed the TBX PRO. The key to the success with that model is critical center of gravity, (CG) That boat works best with 320-340HP at 700# or less with critical mounting location. Forward CG creates an interesting boat to drive around a turn island.
OEM instruments were MDC controlled, a 2002 built by Elan may have had a MMDC controller.
RonT 985-542-4336
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I know you will love the hull. I have the 1994 version and I really like my boat. Yours will be even better. Good luck and it will be awesome when its done.
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Thanks for the info... I have another ski boat with a 351w I was going to take the motor and trans out aswell as the rest of the running gear to get it back up and running. I hope it will be a easy swap and I don't have to do any fabing.
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Also Ron are the stringers wood?
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They should be fiberglass mine are. Also since the bondline goes below the water line. So it may leak. Ron did a good write up for my boat and its here http://amskierboats.com/forum/index.php/topic,4271.0.html (http://amskierboats.com/forum/index.php/topic,4271.0.html) under the second post. Hope this helps
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Thank you!! You guys are a great help... Why is it so hard to find info on this boat? I haven't seen any vids and there's not many pics of it.
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Might want to do some research. I don't know the ins and outs but I do know that changing an engine from one rotation to the other can throw off a boat. Im not sure if the TBX was standard or reverse rotation and Im not sure what your going to use is............ but I understand that if you take a standard rotation engine out of a boat and put in a reverse it changes everything.
Just a thought.
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The motor in your Supra is a standard rotation so that swap should be just fine. The only problem you might have is the motor mount placement. The Supra probably has a 1:1 Velvet Drive in it with the SBF. I'm not sure what engine/tranny combination that Elan would've had but it was probably not the same combination. The SBF was discontinued someplace around 2001 and pretty much everyone was going to SBC by 2002 or 2003. It also would have been EFI so the wiring harness will pretty much need to be completely redone I'm guessing.
Not impossible by any means but not a simple plug n' play either. Ron would have a much better idea on this aspect.
Good luck and keep us posted on the progress.
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Idk what trans it has but, I have pics that I will post... I also have the wire harness from the supra, also another efi harness for a ford. I will keep all posted on progress but wil be on hold for a bit do to all the rain. :'(
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Here is the supra trans idk what it is I'm new to this boating stuff ::)!
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1:1 Std. rotation (left) is correct for this boat with 300+hp , the trans mount will line right up where the old one was. We did use the ZF case because of the weight savings over the B/W. The front mounts however will be set up for the GM stance, Ford is different and will require front mount fabrication, in the old days we ran an aluminum front mounting pad that was about 10" long and either Ford or GM could be mounted, in later years Ford stopped supplying engines to the marine world so we made the mounts for GM only.
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Here is the supra trans idk what it is I'm new to this boating stuff ::)!
That's definitely a Velvet Drive. There's a plate on the top left side by the mount that tells you.
Like Ron said, the front engine mounts will need to be fabricated. The stock chevy mounts will never line up with the ford. There's definitely some aluminum cutting/welding in your future.
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Perfect good to know, I kinda figured I would have to do a little fabbing. Ron do you know what size prop shaft the boat took? Also where can I find a wire diagram? The old harness is still there, Along with the comp I believe, I have to check again when I get home I don't mind fabbing wires to the motor.
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So are these Chevy motor mounts if I were to go Chevy?
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I believe this is the computer you were talking about Ron.
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If your mounts are good on the Ford you will need to extend the alum. pad that they sit on inside the boat (aluminum engine bed)
The comp. you found is the MDC that converts the analog engine data into digital data feeding the dash gauges, next to that should be a fuse block. This will work with a non EFI, non ECM engine, this system was popular from 1997-2001-2-3? as a bridge before full ECM controlled systems took over (throttle by wire etc.)
The good news is that I should have the diagrams for that boat since I drew them, the bad news is that they are in my old computer which I maintain that old drafting software on (non-compatable with my current Win 7 comp) 3 months ago I could just print from the old computer and scan & send on to you, but my printer crashed a couple months ago and the old computer will not talk to the new printer, and I have tried a lot of settings to figure it out to no avail so far. If we have any tech guys who think they can help, I'm all ears.
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Yes my mounts are perfect on the ford. Is there anyway you could take pics of the diagram with your phone and send them to me?
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Rain is suppose to let up in a few days SOO I have time to start on the boat... Btw Ron I got the dmv issue handled got the boat registered today. Super excited, the information you provided me with about the HIN numbers were very helpful, Much appreciated!
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Sorry for the delay, had a little rain yesterday 16.9 inches overnight, massive flooding around here, another few inches & I would have had it in the shop.
Glad to hear you got the paperwork squared away, I will take another shot at extracting the diagrams from the old computer, taking a screen shot with a phone is not an option, my flip phone doesn't take pictures, will see if the polaroid will work if I can't get anything else to work.
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It's ok I understand we're getting a lot of rain down here as well. Any luck on the wire diagram?
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So I got all the running gear, in got everything wired up, now the only thing I have to buy is gauges
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Hey Ron what prop did your guys run on the boat I damaged the old one and was looking into getting a new one with better hole shot
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I would try the ACME 525 for improved pull, the ACME 2389 would be a comparable prop to the OEM 3 blade
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Acme 515 NOT ACME 2389
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My bad, been staring at the computer screen too much these days Little brother is correct the 515 would be comparable to the OEM prop in the ACME line, 3 blade prop not a 5 blade.
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Ok thank you
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Hey Ron do you have a windshield for the tbx? I just got my windows tinted and when I want to screw them back down the window cracked
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Look at the following link.
http://amskierboats.com/forum/index.php/topic,53.msg28797.html#msg28797
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I looked but couldn't find anything